Comments on: Contemporary Praise & Worship and AC VII http://oldschoolconfessional.wordpress.com/2006/03/29/contemporary-praise-worship-and-ac-vii/ An old school confessional Lutheran in a new school Lutheran church. Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:28:36 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Idetrorce http://oldschoolconfessional.wordpress.com/2006/03/29/contemporary-praise-worship-and-ac-vii/#comment-1779 Idetrorce Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:07:21 +0000 http://oldschoolconfessional.wordpress.com/2006/03/29/contemporary-praise-worship-and-ac-vii/#comment-1779 very interesting, but I don't agree with you Idetrorce very interesting, but I don’t agree with you
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]]> By: Orycteropus Afer http://oldschoolconfessional.wordpress.com/2006/03/29/contemporary-praise-worship-and-ac-vii/#comment-112 Orycteropus Afer Sun, 09 Apr 2006 19:39:00 +0000 http://oldschoolconfessional.wordpress.com/2006/03/29/contemporary-praise-worship-and-ac-vii/#comment-112 I'm happy to tell you that this post <B><a HREF="http://aardvarkalley.blogspot.com/2006/04/growing-fame-or-fools-gold.html" rel="nofollow">won an Aardie</A></B>. Congratulations on a job well done, OSC. I’m happy to tell you that this post won an Aardie. Congratulations on a job well done, OSC.

]]> By: Anonymous http://oldschoolconfessional.wordpress.com/2006/03/29/contemporary-praise-worship-and-ac-vii/#comment-111 Anonymous Sun, 02 Apr 2006 06:57:00 +0000 http://oldschoolconfessional.wordpress.com/2006/03/29/contemporary-praise-worship-and-ac-vii/#comment-111 The point of AC VII is missed entirely by the CPW crowd. It was not giving carte blanche to parish worship planners. It was to point out that Rome was not right in trying to enforce its liturgy over all others, something it did before the Reformation, after it with Trent and the Tridentine Mass, and now with Vatican II and the novus ordo, as any priest who has tried to jump through the hoops necessary to still offer the Tridentine Mass can tell you. The other issue was justification itself, that the observance of proper rites designated by proper authorities was a justifying act. Our Confessions make clear that these passages are not an endorsement of liturgical diversity per se, they state that we indeed zealously guard and defend the mass, changing only that which is contrary to the Gospel, and that is legitimate for us to do so. CPW folks should consult AC XXIV and relevant (now there's a word for you!) passages from the Apology to the AC before appropriating AC VII to a movement that in fact violates it. The point of AC VII is missed entirely by the CPW crowd. It was not giving carte blanche to parish worship planners. It was to point out that Rome was not right in trying to enforce its liturgy over all others, something it did before the Reformation, after it with Trent and the Tridentine Mass, and now with Vatican II and the novus ordo, as any priest who has tried to jump through the hoops necessary to still offer the Tridentine Mass can tell you. The other issue was justification itself, that the observance of proper rites designated by proper authorities was a justifying act. Our Confessions make clear that these passages are not an endorsement of liturgical diversity per se, they state that we indeed zealously guard and defend the mass, changing only that which is contrary to the Gospel, and that is legitimate for us to do so.

CPW folks should consult AC XXIV and relevant (now there’s a word for you!) passages from the Apology to the AC before appropriating AC VII to a movement that in fact violates it.

]]> By: Joe Fremer http://oldschoolconfessional.wordpress.com/2006/03/29/contemporary-praise-worship-and-ac-vii/#comment-110 Joe Fremer Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:27:00 +0000 http://oldschoolconfessional.wordpress.com/2006/03/29/contemporary-praise-worship-and-ac-vii/#comment-110 Your third and fourth paragraphs <I>seem</I> to be heading in opposite directions, but I think you're on target there. I mused on this a bit in my blog posts titled "Sociology Scares Me" and "The Semantics of Liturgy." Yes, there is a mob-psychology at work, but it is pushing them to a shared individualism. Like the "parallel play" of preschoolers. We are together, and doing our own thing, but we are in a setting which encourages that, and are grooving on each other's diversity, to put it in sort of a hippie-speak way. I think it was Helmut Thielicke who once wrote that he attended a Hitler rally, fully intending to sit through it in icy silence, too cool to fool; then suddenly he found himself on his feet with his arm raised, yelling "Sieg Heil!" It scared him profoundly, and it made him believe there was something truly demonic at work in the Nazi party. But he didn't need demons. Social pressure in a group environment is extremely powerful. But it's the flesh! Your third and fourth paragraphs seem to be heading in opposite directions, but I think you’re on target there. I mused on this a bit in my blog posts titled “Sociology Scares Me” and “The Semantics of Liturgy.” Yes, there is a mob-psychology at work, but it is pushing them to a shared individualism. Like the “parallel play” of preschoolers. We are together, and doing our own thing, but we are in a setting which encourages that, and are grooving on each other’s diversity, to put it in sort of a hippie-speak way.

I think it was Helmut Thielicke who once wrote that he attended a Hitler rally, fully intending to sit through it in icy silence, too cool to fool; then suddenly he found himself on his feet with his arm raised, yelling “Sieg Heil!” It scared him profoundly, and it made him believe there was something truly demonic at work in the Nazi party. But he didn’t need demons. Social pressure in a group environment is extremely powerful. But it’s the flesh!

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